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my the experience i had happened

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over my

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elementary school

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in the town of benoni in south africa

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which is where i grew up

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i want to say it probably happened

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somewhere between i was i was trying to

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figure this out because i don't remember

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the exact year

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somewhere between 1975 and 1977.

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so at that time i would have been

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between

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eight and ten years old

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standing on the corridor

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facing out towards the main playground

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um

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there was a teacher on playground duty i

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still remember who that teacher was

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and

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have had encounters

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and i'm not sure if you experienced this

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when you had your encounter but people

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will talk about experiencing things in a

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certain way

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so

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there was

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it was like it wasn't there and all of a

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sudden

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there it was

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just sort of

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it just

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you know entered stage right or whatever

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it seemed quite low

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but again i was a little kid it's almost

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like you just like you had a full

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warning or you were just somehow made

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aware because i was aware of like

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of looking up

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at this thing

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typical ufo saucer shape

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the color red

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stands out in my memory

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and

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i'm pretty sure that's part of the

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original encounter and not a fabrication

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of my memory over time because i do

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remember asking i do remember my dad

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asking me to sketch it for him more than

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once

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and and i do remember like red the color

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red just sticks in my memory

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you know when something heats up like

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when you see iron heated up

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and it changes color and the color seems

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to be

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like throughout that piece of metal

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the red seemed to be through oh like a

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glo almost like a glowing almost like a

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glow from the inside out

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[Music]

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and at that point i

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remember and i don't remember feeling

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scared i was just gonna ask you yeah

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and it's also that thing where people i

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will hear this over and over again

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and i'll go yeah yeah that's exactly

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what i remember the absence of sound

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right just as if you were for a moment

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we were in this vacuum we were in a

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bubble

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and there was no sounds at all no sound

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no sound we were just like there was a

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complete absence of sound wow

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and

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i remember looking out across the

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playground and seeing the teacher and

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the other kids all looking up at it

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and everything seemed to sort of be in

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not in slow motion

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it's almost like time was frozen

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really

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uh

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so fear was not a feeling

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do you remember other feelings not at

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all

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if anything it was just like

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and because it it was such a quick

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thing

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like it almost seemed it just stopped

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and was there for a split second or at

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least it seemed like it was there for a

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split second and then

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it just

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it exited it was gone and i remember

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thinking

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wow fast that was fast and even at that

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age i knew that that was

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incredible and just like nothing that my

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brain could make sense of because

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um and i'd said this to you in the email

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in the time it takes to blink it was

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this tiny little red pinprick on the

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horizon

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this pinpoint and then it was gone and

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then

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all the sound came back

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and i saw the teacher and the kids sort

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of talking to each other and maybe they

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were saying oh i wonder what that was

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you know but again because i was a very

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i was i was not the kind of kid who

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would go running up to a teacher and say

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what was that

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um and really spend time with my peers

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i sort of hung back and just watched

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everybody's reaction and then that was

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that

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and i guess at some point i must have

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told my dad maybe it was the same

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afternoon that i went home and said

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i saw something strange

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i really doubt i would have said ufo

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because i didn't know what a ufo was we

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didn't have tv in south africa until

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um

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and then it was only on for an hour to a

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day and the rest of the time it was the

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test pattern

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so there wouldn't have been any

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really

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know what any of that was i never read

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any material about ufos

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there was nothing that was part of my

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experience

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so

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i've always thought about it

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and

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when you're a child life goes on

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yeah and you sort of put it in the back

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of your mind and

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i'm not sure when i told my husband it

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was probably not long after we were

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married and we've been married for 32

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years so

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so he's known about it for a long time

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but i've always

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you know you know that there's a stigma

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attached to it

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um

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until recently i was a tutor

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in our public schools in the town i live

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so you don't you're not going to mention

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it to people because there's a stigma

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attached to it

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um

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my children

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know and

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they've never doubted me for a second

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and my husband will say to me because

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sometimes i'll talk his ear off about

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ufos and about all the latest

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information that's coming out i get very

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very excited about you know certain

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cases or i'll say that's exactly what

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you know that specific part of their

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experience that's what i experienced and

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he'll he's so patient and he'll just go

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yep and i'll say

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i know you i know this just doesn't

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excite you the way it excites me and

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he'll say you know what deb at the end

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of the day i still got a job to go to a

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mortgage to pay

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so yeah it doesn't really have an impact

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on my day to day i can't give it as much

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room space in my head as you do

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and i always say to him but if you ever

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have an experience

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that will that'll change that'll change

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you can't help it it's just part of

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you know

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can talk you out of it

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and i always think of is it james

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fox's one

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documentary i know what i saw right and